Prof. David Nabarro, the world’s highest-ranking expert on Covid-19, has said that the World Health Organisation (WHO) does not advocate lockdowns, since their only consequence is to ‘make poor people an awful lot poorer’.

‘We in the World Health Organisation do not advocate lockdowns as a primary means of controlling this virus.’

Prof David Nabarro dropped this bombshell in an interview with Andrew Neil for Britain’s SpectatorTV. Nabarro is the WHO’s special envoy on Covid-19, and directly advises the organisation’s director-general.

Throughout the pandemic, the WHO has implicitly endorsed national lockdowns, albeit with some reservations.

In June, for example, Dr Hans Kluge, regional director of the WHO in Europe, said: ‘Strict lockdown measures in the spring and early summer yielded good results. Our efforts, our sacrifices paid off.’

Now, it seems, things have changed. ‘The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganise, regroup, rebalance your resources, [and] protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it,’ Nabarro told Neil.

‘Just look what’s happened with the tourism industry, for example in the Caribbean, or in the Pacific, because people aren’t taking their holidays. Look what’s happened to small-holder farmers all over the world, because their markets have got dented.

‘Look what’s happened to poverty levels. It seems that we may well have a doubling of world poverty by next year. We may well have at least a doubling of child malnutrition because children are not getting meals at school and their parents in poor families are not able to afford it.

‘This is a terrible, ghastly global catastrophe, actually, and so, we really do appeal to all world leaders, stop using lockdown as your primary control method, develop better systems for doing it, work together, and learn from each other, but remember lockdowns just have one consequence that you must never ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer.’

I could have written that

Nabarro’s opinion could have been written by any of our local anti-lockdown activists. It is exactly what I, and many others, have been arguing right from the start. While the initial three-week lockdown may have had some merit to buy time, sustained lockdown was an economic catastrophe, for very little, if any, gain in healthcare outcomes.

Doubling world poverty would undo 15 years of dramatic progress in the global fight against poverty. The vast majority of the world’s very poor live in sub-Saharan Africa. For African governments to exacerbate their poverty by imposing hard lockdowns is unconscionable. It pretty much guarantees that by 2030, Africa will be the only poor continent left in the world.

Nabarro said the key is effective testing, contact tracing and isolation of infected individuals, which is much like how we deal with any other contagious disease.

‘We’re saying we really do have to learn how to coexist with this virus in a way that doesn’t require constant closing down of economies, but at the same time in a way that is not associated with high levels of suffering and death,’ he said. ‘It’s what we call the middle path, and the middle path is about being able to hold the virus at bay, whilst keeping economic and social life going. We think it’s doable.’

Not only will we have to learn to live with Covid-19, but there are bound to be future pandemics of novel viruses that might be even more virulent or deadly. Surely we cannot shut down the world economy every time the world gets sick? After all, it is the economy that pays for our food, our shelter, and our healthcare.

The middle path

Explaining what he meant by the middle path, Nabarro said:

‘The middle way is really trying to make certain that we put in place robust defences against this virus, so that if it does start to build up anywhere, we can catch it quickly and we can suppress outbreaks fast. To do that, we need really two (sic) things.

‘One is very well organised, localised infectious disease control services. Sometimes they’re called public health services. It’s not hospitals, but it is testing, contact tracing and isolation. The backbone of controlling this kind of thing is always testing, contact tracing and isolation.

‘The second part of it is involving local actors as much as possible, because trying to deal with small spikes of disease is best done locally, it’s not best done from some central control centre.’

Hear that, National Coronavirus Command Council? Nabarro continues:

‘Thirdly, it works best if people are as on-side as they can be. That means really levelling with people and saying the only way we can do this is all of us pulling together. Physical distancing, face protection, hygiene, isolating if we’re ill, not going to work or off to the pub if we’re feeling rotten, and protecting those who are most at risk.

‘If we can combine those various steps, what we call ‘doing it all’, then we can get on top of it. That’s what East Asian countries have done. Germany is doing pretty well at it. That’s what parts of Canada are doing. That’s the approach we think should be adopted.

‘We think lockdowns only serve one purpose, and that is to give you a bit of breathing space, to stop everything, the virus stops moving, and while you’ve got that breathing space you should be really building up your testing, building up your contact tracing, building up your local organisation, so that as you release lockdown, you’re bound to get more cases, but you can deal with them really, really elegantly.’

PANDA went global

Nabarro also gave an approving nod to Dr Sunetra Gupta, an Oxford professor and epidemiologist who, with Dr Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine and epidemiologist at Harvard University and Dr Jay Bhattacharya, professor and epidemiologist at Stanford University Medical School, launched the Great Barrington Declaration on 4 October 2020.

Nabarro’s comments align perfectly with that declaration, which expresses ‘grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing Covid-19 policies’, and argues that ‘[c]urrent lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health’.

The declaration advocates fully reopening economies and letting those who are not especially at risk from Covid-19 resume their normal lives, albeit with sensible hygiene practices.

All three of the originators of the Great Barrington Declaration serve on the scientific advisory board of South Africa’s own Pandemics Data & Analytics. This group of actuaries and other experts challenged the epidemiological models upon which government’s lockdown decisions were based and argued – correctly – that lockdown would cause far more harm than good.

Starting with the Great Barrington Declaration, PANDA is determined to ‘forge ahead internationally to dismantle the dystopian “new normal” and reclaim civil liberties and appropriate public health responses’.

Expert enough?

Two weeks ago, I critiqued a voluminous rant against ‘anti-lockdown performative pseudo-activism’ by Dr (but not medical doctor) Nechama Brodie. In it, she claims to find such activism ‘personally repulsive, beyond the bad science and the smug (and mistaken) confidence in their data,’ for nebulous reasons mostly to do with the race and gender of the activists.

One of her core complaints was that the activists in question, by which she meant the members of PANDA, were not true experts, and that we should instead listen to real experts, ‘doctors and scientists who have specific expertise in immunology, virology, public health, epidemiology, infectious diseases, bioinformatics, demography, disease modelling, and so on’.

PANDA has received the backing of highly respected international experts in exactly those fields. Nabarro, probably the world’s highest-ranking expert on the pandemic, has endorsed a similar line of reasoning.

One hopes that this satisfies Brodie’s need to defer to expert authority, and that she’ll change her mind. Hope springs eternal.

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  1. Thank you for this excellent article Ivo. As the W.H.O. is controlled by the psychopath Bill Gates, one wonders if Prof Nabarro will retain his job after his statements on lockdowns. If he does retain his job, then his statements could be construed as “too little, too late” and a deliberate attempt to calm the rising tide of protests against the irrational measures (which include ‘face coverings’). I don’t trust ANYONE from the W.H.O. – absolutely nobody.

    Do we honestly think that governments around the world (who are now utterly delerious on the power they have given themselves) will suddenly stop the lockdowns now as a result of Prof Nabarro’s comments?! I don’t think so! So what effect will Prof Nabarro’s statements have on anything? ZERO. ZIP. DE NADA. NIX. NOTHING.

    The only way to stop the psychopaths in power is to NOT COMPLY with the measures. But people have been tortured and terrorised SO much that they actually believe they will die if they take their mask off or if they see someone else without a mask.

    The only disaster in South Africa is the ANC and their handling of this plandemic (plus all their other usual corruption). Who is challenging them? Very few people. Where are the Ruperts and Oppenheimers now? They couldn’t give a toss about the people otherwise they would be saying to the government STOP THE LOCKDOWN and END THE DECLARATION OF DISASTER.

    • Nabarro is playing in the hands of the pharmaceutical industry and the Gates’s of this world. He will tell you that enforcing vaccination will be the only option.

    • Wearing masks, sanitising hands and surfaces, and social distancing are sensible precautions that don’t break economies. They are necessary not just to protect you from the disease, but more importantly to protect other, more vulnerable people from you.

      My wife is a Covid-19 nurse, so I have a healthy respect for this disease. It isn’t just another flu. It can be pretty vicious. I don’t want it, nor do I want to spread it to others.

      Also, for the record, Bill Gates is no psychopath, he doesn’t control the WHO, and a vaccine would be great. I take a flu vaccine every year, so my tendency to get asthmatic bronchitis with every flu doesn’t knock me out for weeks at a time. I would love a Covid-19 vaccine when it becomes available.

      • Good Ivo, if you take a vaccine and hope for the best, I will take another beer with my mates (w/o slave mask, btw).

        • Get over yourself. Mask is a small discomfort and even if you dont believe it works, it shows respect and solidarity to your fellow man.

          • The main purpose of face masks as I understand them is to reduce your chances of infecting others and as far as I am concerned a good reason for wearing one especially as a person can be infectious before they even know that they are ill.

      • Exactly, mask use is a useful tool to allow life to continue closer to normal. It does not eliminate spread of the virus, but reduce the spread through two mechanisms:
        – it traps larger droplets and reduce the velocity of smaller droplets being exhaled (number of studies by engineering depts. experimentally demonstrating this) reducing the required safe distance from an asymptotic carrier
        – there are studies showing that higher initial doses of the virus significantly increase the chance for severe symptoms. Wearing a mask (reducing the amount of virus you inhale) when infected can be the difference between a mild case and a severe case for someone who is at risk

      • Although I agree with lot you say there are three points in you comment that are fallicious.
        1. Sanitising surfaces yes , but nothing to do with Covid . There is science disproving the assertion. On the hands yes for the removal of bacteria like E-Coli. “Although mechanistic studies support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza. – Xiao J, Shiu E, Gao H, et al. Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures. Emerging Infectious Diseases. 2020;26(5):967-975. doi:10.3201/eid2605.190994.

        Further. A Nurse is not a doctor. We see the demands for masks that prevent nothing. Yes and it is an honourable profession, and I respect your wife for her choice of participation in the care of the sick.
        However as much as we here the screaming about SARS-nCov2, it simply has not been proven. A virus sickness caused by “Novel” virus, as yet to be unidentified and still not determined/isolated/identified disease called Covid19, that still is a fact.

        Please go ahead and vaccinate, you have my share of a vaccine too if this helps you. A vaccine for something that has nor be proven to exist.

        • thank you for logic I only agree with washing your hands and maybe sanitizing. Masks only if you are ill and want to protect others you come in contact with, but you could also stay home. I am not ill and I HATE the mask, it has more negatives than positives, and no vaccine for me ever. please take note I agree there is a bad virus out there which have made people very ill, but I am not fearing it, I want my life back not vaccinated, masked and fearful. i have a friend who had it all the blood clots, the pneumonia, luckily recovered for R200000 later. but I also have a friend who has aggressive cancer, who has no chance of recovery. I arrest my case

        • “Not proven” does not equal “it doesn’t work therefore we shouldn’t do it”.

          The real world is replete with incomplete information, yet we must still act.

          Geez people, just grow up already.

        • Brilliant,

          I imagine Ivo is a dead red communist. “Wear your mask or off to the Gulag!” Seems to be his mantra. With that propaganda he’s spouting about Gates, vaccines, and his wife(the expert.). Never in history have masks prevented influenza transmission, and never in history will they protect you from Certification Of Vaccine ID, as you’ve correctly stated, it doesn’t exist!!!!

          Wake up and smash every abnormal nose you see, this eill end the next day then.

        • (((They’ve))) erased my comments 3x. This is a communist website run by those noses who invented that evil ideology.

          Smash those noses and this ends tomorrow morning.

          Wake up mates!

          • Your only other comment, under the name Ben Klassen, was also approved by the editors, though it beats me why. You’re clearly an antisemitic troll, as your email address, ‘JewslikeIvodid911@talbiotisevil.com’, suggests. Go back to /pol/.

      • Dear Ivo
        Thank you for your many interesting articles. I was a bit bleak at your stray into vaccines recently and did not comment. If I may today …
        Every one of my doctor friends (as a start) categorically state that they WILL not go near ANY Covid vaccine.
        In support of the view that it is firstly unnecessary and secondly FAR from a safe option, I quote an article herewith, having noted that you have done your research that vaccines are safe and work. My research tells me otherwise.( Please also have a look at the work of Robert F Kennedy Jr https://childrenshealthdefense.org/)
        The Forbidden COVID-19 Chronicles
        Why You Should Be Concerned About the COVID-19 Vaccine

        Pamela A. Popper, President
        Wellness Forum Health

        William A. Haseltine is a former professor at Harvard Medical School and Harvard School of Public Health. While at Harvard, Dr. Haseltine founded two academic research departments – the Division of Biochemical Pharmacology and the Division of Human Retrovirology. He is best known for his work on cancer, HIV/AIDS, and genomics.

        In a recent article, he discusses the highly unusual protocols being used by drug companies that expect to release a COVID-19 vaccine sometime during the next few months. According to Haseltine, the trials appear to be designed to make sure the vaccines appear to work when they may offer no real benefit at all.[1]

        The purpose of a vaccine is to prevent infection, and to lower the possibility of hospitalization and death. But these endpoints are not being measured for any of the vaccines produced by Moderna, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, or Johnson & Johnson. Instead, the only endpoint being measured is the difference in symptoms between vaccinated and unvaccinated subjects who are infected with COVID-19.

        Which symptoms are being evaluated? Those associated with the common cold such as headache, fever, cough, and mild nausea. The trials will, essentially, assure people that these vaccines prevent symptoms of common cold, not serious flu, or death from serious flu.

        A major limitation of these trials is that vaccine efficacy generally requires trials that take place over a period of several years, and include between 30,000 and 60,000 participants. By comparison, the COVID trials are being completed in a very short period of time and include a few hundred patients.

        Interim analysis is standard in vaccine trials, but it’s hard to imagine that much can be made of an analysis of such a small cohort. Moderna’s protocol only involves 53 vaccinated people; Johnson & Johnson’s protocol only includes 77 vaccinated subjects, and AstraZeneca’s interim analysis only includes 50 subjects. Pfizer’s initial group is the smallest with only 32 vaccinated people.

        A 70% efficacy rate is considered “success.” Based on this target, here is the threshold for each company in order to claim success:

        Monderna: only 13 or fewer people out of 53 develop symptoms compared to 40 in the control group
        Johnson & Johnson: 18 or fewer people out of 77 develop symptoms as compared to 59 in the control group
        AstraZeneca: 12 or fewer people out of 50 develop symptoms as compared to 19 in the control group
        Pfizer: 7 or fewer people out of 32 develop symptoms as compared with 25 in the control group

        Summary: The drug companies can claim that their vaccines work by collectively showing that 50 or fewer vaccinated and infected people have milder symptoms of cold than unvaccinated and infected controls.

        The requirements are not much more stringent for primary analysis, which requires that the four companies administer the vaccine to a total of only 569 subjects. All four companies state that they will continue trials after this point, but that they will pursue an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) and invest more effort in manufacturing vaccines than in further testing.

        The bottom line: Total infections, hospitalizations and deaths – the things people are most concerned about – will not be evaluated in these trials. Yet the National Institutes of Health, the Centers for Disease Control, and of course, Fauci’s agency – the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease – seem to be ready to approve these vaccines anyway.

        What About Side Effects?

        A full report on side effects is not yet available, but there are some concerning preliminary reports. Results from Moderna’s Phase I trial showed that 100% of patients in the high-dose group experienced side effects including fatigue, chills, headache and muscle pain, and 21% had one or more severe events.[2]

        CNBC reported that three subjects in the Moderna trial and two of Pfizer’s subjects had severe side effects. One Moderna patient told reporters, “If this proves to work, people are going to have to toughen up. The first dose is no big deal. And then the second dose will definitely put you down for the day for sure…You will need to take a day off after the second dose.”

        Another patient also reported severe side effects after the second Moderna dose. According to Luke Hutchison, age 44, just hours after the shot, he was bedridden with shakes, chills, a terrible headache, and shortness of breath.

        Yet another Moderna patient reported a fever so high that he said, “I wasn’t sure if I needed to go to the hospital or not because 104 is pretty high.”

        A Pfizer subject reported flu-like symptoms after the second dose that became so severe that “It hurt to just lay in my bedsheet.” He said he was shaking so hard that he cracked a tooth.[3]

        Conclusion

        It is important to remember, in considering side effects, that the patients in vaccine trials are younger and healthier than most of the people in the general public who will get these vaccines after approval.

        Another important consideration is that vaccine makers are not liable for injuries or deaths resulting from their products due to immunity which was granted by Congress in 1986.

        Last but not least, vaccine makers have never succeeded in making a flu vaccine that was effective. Even package inserts acknowledge this. For example, the package insert for FLULAVAL 2013-2014 formula for Influenza subtype A viruses and type B virus states, “…there have been no controlled trials adequately demonstrating a decrease in influenza disease after vaccinations with FLULAVAL.”[4] With so few subjects and such a rushed time schedule it is almost impossible to think that a successful vaccine will result.

        My Advice

        Say no to this vaccine, and make sure that your children do not receive it either. If you live in a state that requires this vaccine in order to attend school, plan to home school. If your employer requires it, find a new job, or organize co-workers to refuse.

        And join Make Americans Free Again (www.makeamericansfreeagain.com). We have the best plan for preventing new vaccine mandates and addressing those that have already been passed.

        [1] William A Haseltine. “Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designed to Succeed.” Forbes September 23 2020
        [2] Jackson LA, Anderson EJ, Rouphael NG et al. “an mRNA Vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 – Preliminary Report.” NEJM 2020 Jul DOI: 10.1056/NEJMoa2022483
        [3] Christina Farr and Berkeley Lovelace Jr. “Coronavirus vaccine trial participants report day-long exhaustion, fever, and headaches – but say it’s worth it.” CNBC Oct 1 2020
        [4] Highlights of Prescribing Information FLULAVAL. http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM112904.pdf accessed 9.2.2020

          • My husband and I are both 70+ with some underlying conditions, so when Covid appeared, with all the initial hysteria, we were rather uncertain about being around for another Christmas. But we were also unwilling to stay home and have our groceries delivered from warehouses where dozens of busy people packed them, presumably after having been sanitised and masked, and then delivered them in vehicles equally sanitised, etc. So we continued to venture out ourselves, well masked and with sanitiser at the ready. I even bought a box of surgical gloves and wore those as well initially.
            And the minute it was allowed, we let our domestic helper return to work by taxi from the township. She has been taking off her “taxi clothes” in the garage and donning her “work clothes” before entering our home, all willingly, as she has been with us for decades and cares about us, as we do about her. She has been wearing a mask ever since, having her lunch apart from us, and using soap and sanitiser at every turn. And from what she tells us, the taxis and the school her son attends, have all been diligent about masking and sanitising.
            So, apart from the elderly father of one friend, resident in a care home, nobody we know personally have fallen sick or died from Covid. AND, VERY SIGNIFICANTLY, none of my husband, myself, or our domestic, has had even one ordinary cold or flu this winter. I have several allergies plus chemical sensitivity, and I usually get at least three bouts of cold or flu every winter. So, masks and sanitiser DO work.
            The million dollar question, though, is what will happen once our masks come off? We have not built up our usual immunity for the past winter’s strains of cold and flu, including Covid. Common sense tells me I should make sure we take every possible vaccine before next winter, otherwise we will certainly catch everything going around, including Covid.
            Vaccines work, they eradicated many diseases that used to kill and maim people, including polio. Beats me how people can believe otherwise. Are they SO unaware of the history of vaccines? And SO gullible that they believe the conspiracy theories about vaccines going around social media? I had to bite my tongue when our grandchildren’s (rather posh!) boys’ school had to close for some time a year or two ago because of an outbreak of one of the children’s diseases that had been almost unknown for decades until the yummy mummies started getting their important info on Facebook. I’m still waiting to see whether some of the boys will in future find out the disease has affected their fertility, as some of those children’s diseases were purported to do. Wonder who will be blamed then?
            And the WHO has become a joke. No doubt there are good scientists working there, but their job has always been longitudinal studies of large populations. The facts about Tedros are out there and easy to find. He is not a medical doctor, but a former Ethiopian politician caught in the net of the Chinese Communist Party during the ebola outbreak there and placed in the WHO by the CCP as part of their drive to power over the UN ever since they were allowed into the World Trade Organisation. The story of the Wuhan virus is not over yet. Whether it will be told or buried, depends on the outcome of the US elections, like so many other things in our current world.

      • Ivo you seem to support the Great Barrington declaration. They talk about the healthy reaching herd immunity through normal interaction and that a vaccine is optional, not required, to do that.

        They also do not mention the mandatory wearing of masks, but do not exclude that for protecting the immune compromised people like yourself. More or less the approach followed in Sweden except that they advise the targeted and humane protection for the elderly. Which was initially not done in Sweden.

        Btw, as your wife is a nurse working in I presume a hospital, she most have noticed that the hospitals admissions dropped dramatically due to the cancelling of normal elective procedures. Or not?

        See below for a direct quote from the GB declaration.

        “Fortunately, our understanding of the virus is growing. We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza.

        As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity. “

  2. I wonder if Squirrel will ignore this opinion as well, since he supported Skosazana in firing the leading scientists on the Advisory Committee because they did not like the advice they got and wanted to suppress it. In SA lockdown has become a political instrument that has no longer any bearing on Covid-19.

    • You are spot on about the mass firings Daan and I notice the local Lame Stream so-called media were also Tsjoepstil about the culling of those dissenters! Fact is, there is an entire movement out there all trying to OUT scare one another with regard to what is nothing more than a cousin of the Common Cold Corona virus.
      These tossers have painted themselves into a hysteria corner and are now faced with the fact that they are going to lose face in a BIG way when the real truth on this insanely destructive scam comes out.
      Incidentally, this article also shows up the glaring lunacy around the face masks BS…They do not work! If they did there would not be a “second wave” the virus infections would decline, NOT keep on going up! Jeepers, doesn’t anyone in the ANC practice simple common sense any more?…Geddit Zwane and Zuma?

  3. Yes, the whole mess can probably be laid at the feet of Mr. Gates, the W.H.O. and the Chinese. I agree with Donald trump said when he called it the “Chinese Flu” as they, the Chinese, orchestrated the pandemic to get the West to lose control of business worldwide. Why does Donald Trump not want to pay the the WHO, and therefore. in my thinking, China, any more money?
    And, as for the cANCer, well, they are so corrupt how could one even think they would stop for a single second to consider what they have been and are doing to the country.

  4. WHO, Gates, Murdoch, Fauci, etc, etc, must be taken to the International Criminal Court and be given longterm prison sentences for crimes against humanity.
    WHO’s turnaround comes after litigation processes aimed against it. It’s present sentiment has nothing to do with having a conscience, ethics or morals. It is an immoral institution tied to an equally immoral United Nations.
    The whole aim of constructing a fake pandemic was to depopulate and create millions of sick people to increase the profits of Big Pharma medical industry and the greedy individuals associated with it. Those with very poor immune systems would die and those with healthier immune systems would get ill.
    Immune systems affected by psychological stress through lockdowns and social distancing as well as recycling of carbon dioxide in and out of the lungs, have been seriously affected.

    • You are spot on Michael.

      The German Corona Investigative Committee has heard extensive testimony from a large number of scientists since 10 July 2020.

      They call it “The Corona Scandal”. They call it the greatest crime ever committed against humanity, and as the biggest tort case ever.

  5. To be quite honest I have got the point of not knowing whats going on and who to believe and who not to believe. The WHO, whom I also have great distrust and doubt about their source of funding, have had the virus as airborne, not airborne, then airborne again so WTF, No wonder suicides are rising, the feelings of depression are palpable.

      • Panda whipping up outrage in Oct: “government took a decision to implement a lockdown that has had a devastating impact on lives and livelihoods.”

        Panda to President in May “A rapid lockdown was a prudent decision at the time.”

        Libertarian history is lekker flexible.

        • PANDA, like the WHO now, and like most anti-lockdown advocates, was okay with a short-term lockdown to buy time.

          I never was, because (a) I didn’t think it was enforceable in most of the country, so it would do great harm without being very effective, and (b) because our numbers weren’t rising sharply yet, so there was plenty time to prepare the public healthcare sector without imposing a lockdown.

          By the way, the two statements you quoted aren’t contradictory. It’s consistent to support a short, sharp lockdown, while opposing the kind of harsh, long-term lockdown that was actually imposed. In addition, it’s perfectly okay to change your views as you learn more. Not doing so is unthinking dogmatism.

          • Re your points a. and b. above:
            (a) – you are speculating wildly about whether it was effective or not, and whether it caused great harm (relative to the harm that would have been caused by unrestrained spread of the virus). The IMF (i.e. not a bastion of leftie wokehood) produced an interesting study in this regard – https://www.tralac.org/documents/news/4150-world-economic-outlook-october-2020-chapter-2-imf/file.html

            (b) – wrong – numbers were low but increasing exponentially (doubling every few days) at the time lockdown was initiated.

            The context of the first statement is Panda blaming SACEMA’s early modelling for the initiation (not the nature and length of) of the lockdown, the lockdown they themselves think was a good prudent decision regardless of anyone’s modelling. I am sure you can see a contradiction in there somewhere…

            Its fine to change your views, but not fine to airbrush away your previous views. Panda have form with this – they tried the same with their regular and strident claims that it would be absurd to see more than 10k deaths….

  6. I guess face masks are a bit like seat belts – you actually have to wear them and, then, PROPERLY – how many people do you see wearing masks around their necks, under their chins, noses, etc protecting little or nothing? I come from an industry where dust masks and goggles were pretty standard and effective at excluding asbestos, ash, chemicals, coal and other potentially harmful airborne dusts and liquids so I’m sure they will help, even if only partially to minimise the 2-way spread of infectious virii. Ditto for healthcare workers (GPs, dentists, beauticians, etc) long before the onset of latest pandemic. Since losing a hearing aid due to “mask-on, mask-off” actions, I tend to prefer a transparent face shield that also somewhat barricades my eyes and ears as well, which I imagine are also a ports of entry for airborne particles.

    • No, masks are nothing like seatbelts. Ypu have been conditioned by the MSM.
      Seatbelts actually prevent you from flying through a windscreen. A mask does nothing like that and cannot protect you. The mask was designed for different purposes.
      Industrial masks prevent breathing in of particles like dust and fine particles that are not visible to the naked eye. They are limited by their pore or weave aperture.
      Medical masks were designed to prevent the doctors or surgeon or nurses snot, spittle from entering open wounds in operating theatres at the actual wound site. They cannot and that includes the N95 mask from stopping a virus. N95 respirators are made with a 0.3 micron filter, Coronaviruses are approximately 0.125 microns in diameter. That has been proven. Here is some further reading for you. Masks Don’t Work: a Review of Science Relevant to Covid-19 Social Policy -https://vixra.org/abs/2006.0044

      • Masks aren’t supposed to protect you. Masks protect others from you, and specifically from the virus-laden droplets you expel.

        Going on about whether cloth masks protect you from actual viral particles shows rank ignorance of what masks are for and what they do.

        Masks are supposed to be worn by sick people, but by far the majority of Covid-positive people out in public are presymptomatic or asymptomatic, so they won’t know they are sick and spreading disease around. That’s why it is prudent for everyone to wear masks.

        Spreading disease to others can be dangerous. Old people and people with diabetes need to shop too.

        Just wear a damn mask. It’s no great sacrifice. Masks aren’t what’s destroying the economy.

  7. I will never fully understand why people all over the world have appeared to be so stupid when it comes to this virus. Sure its unpleasant and certain people can die, but even the first three weeks of our lockdown were unnecessary – at the time we had infections hardly in double figures and we had PLENTY of time before exponential infection rates. Plus the lockdown was NEVER going to be feasible in the townships and the rural areas – which is about 60-70% of the population. So while most of SA didn’t have lockdown, we had extreme economic lockdown with all the repercussions. Now, since we have probably all been exposed to the virus, a significant second wave seems highly unlikely.
    In Europe where people actually locked down, why is there any surprise that infections are increasing again with easing of restrictions? So many of the population missed exposure, they now have to come into contact with the virus. Everyone should have followed Sweden and we would now be over this scourge without too much unnecessary collateral.

    • Quite right but to answer your question as to why people went along with the Corona hype. In 1961 Stanley Milgram started and experiment to try and explain why most of Germany followed Hitler to do what they did. He took people off the street who were instructed to electrocute another person if they got a question wrong. The dial would go progressively up with each wrong answer all they way to 450v. It was all an act, no one was electrocuted but 65% of people administered the final 450v shock when told to do so. Only 35% of people thought to themselves, this can’t be right and stopped taking part. Human nature hasn’t changed since 1961.

    • We may know NOW that the initial 3 week lockdown would be ineffective and therefore unnecessary, but we did not know that then. We could reasonably hope that at the time it was still exclusively a middle class and up disease, that hadn’t yet spread to the more densely-settled and epidemiologically challenging lower classes. The precautionary principle is a valid heuristic. You don’t need to (in fact you can’t consistently afford to) wait for full information to become available before you act.

  8. I recon that they see a massive legal challenge and massive class action payout coming . The backpedalling and scapegoating has started.

    • Dr Fuellmich is preparing a class action suit for US an German businesses. If they win the damages will run into billions of Euros. It is run as a social project. Joining the suit should not cost more than 800 to 1000 Euros and if they win they will take 10% of the damages award.

  9. WHO-turn, almost as mirth worthy as the organization itself. The WHO need some serious investigation, Them and their patrons.

  10. Brodie’s comments are typical of the “far left”. Instead of debating the facts, they start smearing the opposition. If Nick Hudson etal. at PANDA are not true experts then it is surely quite easy to destroy their arguments. The fact that they employ smear campaign tactics tells you that they don’t have an argument.

    • I wonder how many of the conspiracy theorists commenting here believe that John McCain did not die from cancer but was actually executed by a secret military tribunal for treason?

      • I haven’t heard that one yet hehe, I’ll check it out.

        The adrenochrome one is kind of amusing and crazy if you enjoy looking into these things for kicks.

          • The Covid scam.
            The Trump Russia collusion.
            The Roman Catholic Church child sex scandal.
            The climate change scam.
            The RE energy Wind and Solar Scam.
            The Carbon Dioxide lie
            The Ozone hole rubbish
            The Acid rain rubbish
            Ocean Acidification rubbish
            The Ocean Plastic rubbish
            The GMO scam -Golden Rice saga
            Enough?

        • I could go into each point although it’s hard to know what you mean for certain points.

          Trump-Russia collusion? What about it?

          Surely a sex scandal in the catholic church, is just a sex scandal in the catholic church?

          Also Golden Rice looks like a great success story and a testament to human ingenuity. Thanks for letting me know about it.

  11. It’s hilarious that the remedy of locking down is only even necessary to protect the unnecessary evil of socialised, public health. It plainly shows that public health is woefully inadequate, and how socialised gains on the backs of privatised ‘losses’ has a tendency to inflate and infect other sectors, which in turn then needs to be bailed out along the lines of socialised losses and very few gains left after all is said and done.

    Why flatten the curve? Why, to help the public resources cope. What now? Created more problems than we solved.

    How to deal with covid? Like most of the sane voices have said from the beginning before getting censored from big tech platforms: Sick people get quarantined. Healthy people take precautions, but go about their daily lives without any new normal or demoralisation or crisis or destabilisation. At risk groups like the elderly take extra precautions. Problem not solved, but coped with more than adequately.

    • What sort of weird world do you live in where a privatized healthcare system can magically cope with anything thrown at it, just because it’s a privatized system?

      Whether a healthcare system was under threat of being overwhelmed by this pandemic doesn’t depend on whether the system is public or private, but on the system’s capacity.

      • Correct, but a private system is much more agile and resilient. It scales up much better. For example, look at how Tesla managed to assist during the pandemic. Not to mention how many breweries switched to producing hand sanitiser.

        Also, my argument is not that a privatised healthcare system can magically cope with anything thrown at it. Merely that public health does not have the capacity, and it has no means to expand its capacity except through the public purse. All the reasons why a monopoly in any other sense is suspicious still count for health care, there aren’t different rules that apply purely because lives are at stake.

        The capacity (or lack thereof) of public health systems is why we need to quarantine healthy people. Many people are missing their checkups or having other health needs postponed and those resources redirected. It doesn’t need to be this way, but public health is one of those holy cow white elephants that nobody is allowed to second guess.

  12. Personally I stand astounded at all the ignorance regarding face masks and how bad and dangerous they are. Have you forgotten that for about 100 years surgeons, anaesthesiologists, theater sisters, and floor staff in theaters have been wearing face masks EVERY WORKING DAY of their lives. Me, personally for 40 years. Often up to 12 – 15 hours a day. EVERY WORKING DAY OF MY WORKING LIFE. And, believe it or not, we are ALL fine and have experienced NO, NADA ZERO deleterious effects from doing it!!! DO you think we have been, and still are, offering up our personal safety and well being and health etc etc to work in the operating heater?? Come on people, get your facts straight before commenting….on ANYTHING.

    • It’s maddening how all these anti-mask snowflakes seem to think they have extra special unique physiology that makes them incapable of this mild inconvenience.

      Even more maddening how they refuse to understand the purpose of masks, or retreat into some straw man version of “I know of this one guy who wore a mask but got infected anyway, therefore masks are worthless” etc.

    • Precisely. It’s a minor inconvenience at most. Also there are studies that show how they work, especially when combined with hand sanitising. All the anti-mask snowflakes are just peddling conspiracy theories.

  13. It never ceases to amaze me how people refuse to change their positions when the visible situation changes.
    7 months ago, we were presented with a choice between losing our livelihoods or losing our lives.
    The message I heard was very clearly that I should expect to have lost several loved ones by Christmas if they should be unlucky enough to contract Covid, and seeing that a genuine lock down was really impossible in ZA, I had to prepare myself for that
    Sacrificing my livelihood seemed a very reasonable alternative.
    Now, 7 months later, every one of the people I had been worried about, had had Covid.
    My brother, a severe asthmatic since very young, spent a week in bed at home, having tested positive for Covid, with no reasonable means of quarantine from the rest of his household.
    My Mom, 79 years old, living with said brother, had much more minor symptoms. She was never tested (why spend a grand when you’re not even feeling sick enough to go to the doctor)
    I was never very worried about myself (I had only avoided my Mom an my brother to keep them safe), but after their experience I effectively stopped locking down, and I have also subsequently contracted the symptoms (not severe enough to actually stay in bed, but jolly unpleasant nonetheless)(I never tested myself either)
    It seems to me that for the vast majority of South Africans, the down side of contracting Covid is perhaps a day or 2 in bed, and then only if you’re jolly unlucky.
    It may be an unpleasant couple of days, but not worth destroying my business for.
    Yet many, especially in the English speaking middle class (the only South Africans I suspect to have actually kept to the lock down rules in their social context as well as their professional lives), still treat the possibility of contracting Covid as a death sentence.
    Why?
    We thought there was a dragon outside, so we hid away. Now it’s pretty clear that the beast has turned out to be a rather nasty dog, not nearly the dragon we thought it was. Why can’t people just accept that and treat it as what it is? Why keep on pretending that it is a dragon?

    • Exactly, the lockdowns are not helping and the data coming out now shows how it has unintended consequences that make other matters worse.

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